The next time out with me he broke down and cried for Constance.

"The last two times I haven't gone in there and cried," she says.

We hug each other a long time and we are both crying.

Most importantly, counselling gives you an opportunity to be heard, time to talk, cry, shout or just think.

"The last time I was there she was crying like a baby, thinking of her two kids."

He heard her several times cry, as if from a wounded heart, "Pardon!

She had this baby who wouldn't shut up, cried all the time, nobody could sleep.

This time, however, she was crying because she was happy.

The first time, in May 2000, she cried.

First and only time he'd ever 139 cried in Vietnam.